tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38495605.post1533221628331080693..comments2023-09-07T04:13:08.133-04:00Comments on johndegen.com: attack of the tweets - "Fairness" strikes backUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38495605.post-44645118090346118602010-07-05T11:04:11.281-04:002010-07-05T11:04:11.281-04:00I offer a longer comment in: Traditional definitio...I offer a longer comment in: <a href="http://mcormond.blogspot.com/2010/07/traditional-definitions-in-copyright.html" rel="nofollow">Traditional definitions in the copyright debate</a>.<br /><br />If John disagrees with how I portrayed him there, he can comment and we can discuss.<br /><br />Separately, <br /><br />Ms. Mitchell's comments demonstrate just how wrong it is to claim something is censorship when it is not. The proprietor of a forum has the right to remove a person and their commentary for any reason, including having no reason at all. A proprietor doing this can never in my mind legitimately be called censorship, and it belittles real censorship to misuse the term.<br /><br />It is also incorrect for her to call those who disagree with John as "the pirate mob" given we are creators as much as John is. Lets not get into childish games about how much of our income comes from our copyrighted creativity, as that still wouldn't put John as better representing creators than those fellow creators he critiques.<br /><br />This debate isn't about copyright holders vs infringers. The vast majority of debates and disagreements I have had in the 9 years I've been involved in this debate is with fellow creators who have been advocating for policies I firmly believe will take money out of the pockets of fellow creators.Russell McOrmondhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07186398284667525036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38495605.post-18025125741930323382010-07-04T21:27:59.699-04:002010-07-04T21:27:59.699-04:00My goodness John, sticking your foot in your pie h...My goodness John, sticking your foot in your pie hole again I see. Tsk Tsk.<br /><br />Upset FCFC of York Region wont give you a voice any more? Are you upset that the Norwegian Ladies Yodellers' Society website wont let you post there either? Get a life man.<br /><br />And continuing to drag Geist into something he has made quite clear he has no involvement of, or control over, really demonstrates a degree of thick headedness which is rather extreme, even for you.<br /><br />Frankly it appears to be more an act of desperation on your part. You are still confused and upset, unable to figure out why everyone else doesn't see the world the way you do.Darrylhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07804677063589377009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38495605.post-2149402752773680252010-07-04T21:09:33.386-04:002010-07-04T21:09:33.386-04:00"And at the same time, I found myself being u..."And at the same time, I found myself being used and abused by online "protesters" with as much legitimate complaint against me as those stomping and incinerating cars on Queen Street have against my city."<br /><br />You've just admitted here you are not a part of York Region! So what's the real issue here John?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38495605.post-27257002348676019882010-07-04T20:58:24.230-04:002010-07-04T20:58:24.230-04:00John's fake censorship battle continues. One ...John's fake censorship battle continues. One has to wonder whether the personal attacks John and his minions are offering are actually effecting their position at the table.<br /><br />http://twitter.com/ACTRAnat/status/16234183972<br /><br />Get a life John! It's a facebook group, are you bi-polar or something?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38495605.post-13330586985903810052010-07-04T20:31:11.666-04:002010-07-04T20:31:11.666-04:00John,
On June 25, 2010, I posted the following on...John,<br /><br />On June 25, 2010, I posted the following on your blog:<br /><br />“I had absolutely nothing to do with you being removed from the York Region Chapter group and disagree with the decision to do so. I do not administer that group, did not create that group, and I am not a member of that group. I am happy there are local chapters, but they do own their own thing. As you well know, you have posted frequently to the Fair Copyright for Canada group and never had a single post removed.”<br /><br />I frankly thought the statement spoke for itself, but over the past week or so, you’ve continued to suggest that somehow I haven’t done enough to respond. Until Ms. Mitchell’s shameful comment, I had no intention of doing so given that I’ve already made my position clear. However, given her remarks that liken Fair Copyright to Nazi-like zealotry, I feel I must respond.<br /><br />First, with respect to your removal of the York Region Chapter, I have already stated that I do not agree with the decision and that I have no control over it. I’m not sure what more needs to be said. While I started the first FCFC and am happy that there are other local chapters, I do not administer or control them. To suggest otherwise, would be akin to claiming that Graham Henderson controls all comments from emanating from all corners of the recording industry. <br /><br />Second, the attempts to paint me as having a hand in, or being indifferent to, censoring you is particularly sad given that I have never banned, blocked or removed any of your comments on the Fair Copyright for Canada group that I do administer and would not do so. I should note that that group has 87,495 members. The York Region chapter has at most a couple of hundred (I don’t even know given that the numbers are closed to non-members). I think you’ll agree that it is a safe bet that virtually every member of that group is also member of the larger FCFC group. That means that far from being censored in speaking to people interested in FCFC, you can reach all the York Region chapter members and more than 87,000 other people on Facebook without any interference.<br /><br />If that audience isn’t big enough, you are free to post on my blog. You have posted there regularly – in your name and otherwise – frequently with harsh criticisms for me. I have never removed a single post and have no plans to do so. In light of this track record, it is plainly wrong to paint me as being indifferent to censorship. Rather, to use the words of recent commenter on my site, “the hypocrisy is now astonishing.”<br /><br />As I noted above, I did not plan to respond because I thought I already did. However, Ms. Mitchell’s reference is so beyond the pale – particularly to the grandson of Holocaust survivors who saw most of their families murdered – that I felt I must. You have been a frequent critic of what you see as my failure to stop the occasionally outlandish comments on my blog. I trust you will now lead by example with your supporters.<br /><br />MGMichael Geisthttp://www.michaelgeist.canoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38495605.post-51343355477174061222010-07-04T16:32:19.292-04:002010-07-04T16:32:19.292-04:00John, thanks for standing up for the rights of cre...John, thanks for standing up for the rights of creators and for exposing one more example of the shocking lack of ehtics that exists among the pirate mob. Here they are committing the worst possible offense against the free flow of information they claim to espouse and showing no awareness or even concern about wht they've done. There is a whiff of brownshirt zealotry about Geist's organization that makes me uneasy, especially as he seems so little concerned about it.Helen A. Mitchellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38495605.post-7520815622280948532010-07-02T17:40:17.500-04:002010-07-02T17:40:17.500-04:00They shouldn't have banned you.They shouldn't have banned you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38495605.post-24866287013320375182010-07-01T11:09:42.399-04:002010-07-01T11:09:42.399-04:00Wow, I am now part of some mythical organized &quo...Wow, I am now part of some mythical organized "attack" for calling out your abuse of the concept of censorship. And those you are critiquing are as much representatives of creators as you suggest you are. We are just not on the far-right conservative creator's rights political philosophy. <br /><br />This debate isn't creators vs. non-creators , but more along the left vs. right you like to talk about.<br /><br />I'm proud to be protecting creators, rather than incumbent institutions.Russell McOrmondhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07186398284667525036noreply@blogger.com